and what i was getting at, i said, you know, this man is head of the cia. he's got responsibilities, he's got a wife who helped him build his career and turns his back on her, okay? and i understand the poor baby only gets to fly around in a g-4 and go wherever he wants, he's in charge of two armies fighting two wars at one point. where is the condemnation in society of this behavior. it is as if, the man presided over an 11-year-long war, basically. counterinsurgency and people are saying, well, you know, it is a private matter. it's not. it is a public matter here. >> i don't think it is something that happened overnight. this led -- there are a lot of things... >> lou: specifically about him. >> about him and this is what we see with other people -- >> we are desensitized. we are used to hollywood men cheating all the time and... >> lou: and the idea there is a certain sophistication and it is its own justification. >> put it into a category, people are stimulated sexually all the time and they do their jobs. why would david petraeus -- >> people get to